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*Main reason for posting this is to ask about your opinions on and experiences with this bike and any problems anyone is aware of. Any issues with overheating? Fuel injection/pump issues? Cam chain tensioner failures...? This way you don't have to read all my babbling if you don't want to :)

This is a bike (like the WRR until recently...) that I have totally ignored due to a bit of angry prejudice against Yamaha on account of the rotten experience I had with my TW a few years ago. I had nothing but endless problems from day one until I parted it out. Looking back, I can see now that Yamaha and the TW can't really be blamed for all of that (although certainly some of it). That's a long story for another day, though. I am still a little leery of the brand to be honest... So anyway back to this: a great review video I found of the XT250. Note that this is of the 2008 (?) to 2012 carbureted version. I would be far more interested in the new, fuel injected XT 250.


So as I was saying, I have totally ignored this bike along with every other XT and the WRR, as potential dual sport bikes for the above-stated reasons. However, if I can overlook past prejudice and perhaps give Yamaha another chance in the future...this does look like it might actually be a pretty sweet bike (sans suspension that's probably garbage for hard core off road). 291 pounds ready to ride, 32 inch seat height, fuel injected, 65 mph cruising with stock gearing or 60 mph with 1 down on the front sprocket. If geared down like that (or possibly even stock?), I'm sure it would probably have enough power and just enough speed to get up some pretty serious hills while screaming away in second gear (unlike my current DR200, which would be too slow in second gear and too revvy on the highway if geared for off road power). Anyway, the big irony here is that my current perception of this bike is BETTER than that of the KLX or CRF 250 dual sports, due to...RELIABILITY... Ain't that a bitch...
 

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IMHO anything modern enough to have fuel injection will be a good unit. Your more looking at design
constrictions than anything else. Impossible really to have a dual sport that does both functions outstandingly
well. Much better than it used to be but.....More important to reliability than brand is the care you give the unit
after you own it. This applies to purchasing used. Great stuff won't be so great if it's not been maintained.
The Yamaha XT is a fab unit, as is the Honda CR250l but so is the RX3 Cyclone and you'll get more bang
for your dollar with the Cyclone and perhaps most important better support (far better) and warranty.
If I hadn't needed something more road oriented I would have purchased one instead of my GS.
 

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I depends on what you want it for. I really like the XT250, but of the 250s you mentioned, I think I would take the XT last.

The WRR is faster and more exciting with more power. Overall, the CRF250L is "newer" than the XT and has a bit more power than the XT (but is the heaviest of the 3).

The XT does have the simplicity advantage of air cooling. It is also the shortest of the bikes if that is an issue. It also has the largest gas tank.

The XT is only a 5 speed - the others have 6 gears.

All 3 of these bikes are very reliable.

From your posts you seemed to be performance inclined, if money is not an issue, I would think the WRR would be more fun for you.
 

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Well, I could be wrong about all this, but I'm inclined to stay away from the KLX due to cam chain tensioner and cold start issues (I own a big bored KLX and I'm selling it as soon as I fix it), and the CRF also due to cam chain tensioner failures. It may be a small percentage of them that have such failures, but it just bothers me too much that the manufacturers know about those issues and don't do anything about them. As for the WRR, I haven't been able to find any common issues with it (unlike the CRF and KLX). Same with the XT so far; that's really the only reason I'm interested in the XT over the Honda and Kawasaki. Otherwise I'd probably also have it last after all the others, even though I do like it a lot too. And for sure the WRR seems at the top of the class; definitely it will outperform the others. Considering the XT primarily for the price difference. I reckon I'd have $6500 into a brand new one with all the mods I would need for it. A couple grand less than the WRR. The RX3 is a pretty interesting bike. But it's pretty heavy and not really meant for serious off road use, although I'm sure it could still do reasonably well. On their web site, they put 30.2 ft. lbs. for maximum torque from the RX3 engine...lol. Things like that don't exactly inspire confidence. \

Anyway, I guess I'm pretty much a nut case honestly haha. My OCD probably really doesn't do me any good in the long run. But it is what it is :)
 

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I heard once 2008 and older WR250R's had a in tank fuel pump problem. I think the newer ones don't have this issue anymore.
 

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Yea they fixed the fuel pump issue for 2009+ WR's.
 
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Good news there. No one was an electrical problem like that to crop up in the middle of nowhere. I thought the WR250R would be a good bike for me, but I'd have to get over two issues. Price and seat height. Both are pretty high!

Problem that has always bothered me with the XT225/250 was it just looked so small and fragile, but the price was much better. Had the XT250 been available when I bought my TW (2005), I would have gotten it. 225 only thing available new at the time and the 25cc wasn't enough to entice me at the time.

Now that I do more backwoods riding than I thought I would, I'd pick the XT over the WR because I think I could manhandle it better in tough situations. That and after seeing my son's KTM continually overheat on a trail ride, I'm not as impressed with water cooling as I once was. Use to be a must have, and now's turned into indifference.

But I can be swayed on any of the models for the right $$$:D
 

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I have read that a cooling fan is a recommended addition for KTMs that are used as trail bikes.
 
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I'll have to let him know about that. He does have electrics & battery on his KTM450abc xyz, so something like that should work. Thanks Fred. Sometimes I don't think, think outside the box, and sometimes the box is too small.:p
 

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Yea as far as KTM's go...they certainly are the cream of the crop performance-wise, and I do really like KTM. However they're just not the type of bike that you can put tens of thousands of hard miles on with minimal maintenance and no issues or rebuilds. Not trying to dog on KTM here, but I think the KTM was probably to blame in the overheating issue more than water cooling. In addition to the cooling fan tip, you might suggest Engine Ice coolant to your son to reduce temperatures. If I get a WRR, I'll probably do the factory lowering option (which puts the seat to around 35 inches).
 

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Yea they fixed the fuel pump issue for 2009+ WR's.
Suzuki also fixed their cam chain tensioner with the DRZ. If only Honda and Kawasaki would do the same with their tensioners. Red and green need to get with the program here... Especially Honda. My confidence in Honda as a rock-solid reliable brand across the board has plummeted in recent years. I'm glad they've been introducing new models, but that's just not an excuse to let quality slide.
 

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wr all the way. I ride with a few guys who have 60-80,000 miles on thrm without any top end work besides valve adjustments. chain sliders wear out frequently but other than that gtg
 

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wr all the way. I ride with a few guys who have 60-80,000 miles on thrm without any top end work besides valve adjustments. chain sliders wear out frequently but other than that gtg
60-80k miles with no rebuild!? Damn man, the most I've seen on a WRR is 45k. That's pretty amazing. Thanks for sharing that. I'd love to know how those bikes were broken in, and whether they've used conventional or synthetic oil, if they burn oil, how often they checked the valves, etc. But I know that's a lot to ask so don't feel compelled to ask them :)
 

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get on bigdogadventures.com he has a lot of info on his and on a few of his newer ride reports he talks about his buddies bike with around 80k on it. He rides the snot out of his and so does roadad the other guy with 60k+ that i know
 

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I have owned the xt225 and it is faster than a TW even when geared down for trail riding.
One of the guys I ride with has the XT250 that is fuel injected and he loves it. He has gone from a husky 650 to the xt as his FSR bike and a Honda cb500x as his road and some gravel road bike. He went with the XT250 over Honda and Kwai as it is air cooled. His bike did struggle on a few hills on the hi way (dropped below 60 mph). It is not a bike you want to be on the hi way with for long stretchs.
I have a 2009 WR and have had no issues. I figure I will keep it and get a 300 kit when it needs engine work. The WR is a tall bike and can be a handful on black diamond trails. I have gone to a 48 rear sprocket and run a12 up front for trail riding ( max speed 120 kmph) a 13 for a mixture of road trail ( max speed 138 kmph) and a 14 for FSR and hi way.
The TW is by far the more trail worthy of the bikes, just wish it was faster on the pavement.
The KTM are great if you want to do maintainance every week.
How about an Ossa Explorer?
 

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I had a 2009 XT-250 and would buy again, the only problems were I was always going for 6th gear and after market parts were not made for the bike like a bigger fuel tank. 199092_1743924369997_1035695_n.jpg
 

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Thanks for the input everyone.

Small's: I'll check out that site, thanks.

Zdiver: What happened to your XT250?
 

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Thanks for the input everyone.

Small's: I'll check out that site, thanks.

Zdiver: What happened to your XT250?
I gave it to my son when he got out of the army and he sold it with out telling me so he could buy a 1940's jeep willies that he sold for a loss. KIDS!
 

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Ouch Zdiver, that's rough man ;D

Small's: it turns out I've been on that site a couple times before (the one with the WR). He still only has 45k miles updated on there. Maybe I'll send an email or something.
 
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