[admiral]

Road debris, that's pretty funny. I never considered squirrels to be road debris.

My alternate observation was gonna be that you have some weird looking rocks where you ride!

Seems like a good case study to raise the front fender eh?

I too have the 244 5.10 and have no issues. Although It dose seem to pickup rocks and some road debris, it seems pretty grippy to me...

 

[admiral]

Hey Admiral, what kind of surfaces did the 241 washout on? In the dirt, mud and gravel here in NY I was amazed at the traction I got out of my 241. Of course I ran the stock front tire for 5000 miles so a ski on the front may have been an improvement. The 241 is slower to lean into a corner on the pavement though.



Tom

241 Pushed out on some semi loose sandy/dirt combo soil (best way I can describe it) and I didn't expect it to do that. I have never had the same feeling at the same corner with the stock or 244 tire. Mud I ride thru is usually some puddles which I ride around the edge anyway and the 241 did fine there. On the gravel road it did fine also. I will say I was very comfortable with the 241 in deeper sand when I was riding in the Parma Play area. So comfortable that I really wasn't paying attention to the tires. So, kind of hard to explain that it did fine in medium to deep sand but washed out on just the semi-loose stuff. After this happened a couple times in the same turn, knowing what it was gonna do I was ready for it and didn't have any more issues. It still would wash out a bit, I just adapted to it.

I have the opposite feel than you do in turns with the 241. For the last year, I had been using a stock front tire with either the stock rear tire or the Ceros. With these combo's, I felt I had to lean harder for it to lean into a corner.

Then I put the 241 on and expected it to be difficult to lean just like the stock tire. However, just the opposite happened. It leaned so quickly it caught me off guard just a bit. It didn't matter which rear tire I was using. So, I kind of like the 241 on pavement.

This is why it's so hard to recommend tires to anyone. 10 people can have the same exact tire combo and all 10 of us would probably say something different.

 

[admiral]

i had the 244 and loved it, switched to the 241, and not totally convinced yet. i rode the 244 at 18 psi on and off road and felt solid. trying the same with the 241 and just feels looser.

This is my exact answer except off road I lowered the tire pressure to approximately 10-12 psi. I run this tire pressure on every tire I use front and back. For me, and this is subjective per personal feel and experience, 18 psi. for any tire I use is too high off road for my personal taste but I understand we'll all like something a bit different.

This fall I put the 241 and I don't have enough riding time on it yet, but there is something just off with it that I just can't pin point. It washed out on me a couple times where I hadn't had the same problem with the 244. With the 241 I was expecting this "amazing I can't believe it feeling" and to be honest it feels about the same as the 244. I did notice it seems the 241 self-cleans mud and snow better than the 244 but too early to tell.

 

[admiral]

I don't know yet. I too use the 244, and it's about at the end of it's life cycle. As Padilen say's, it was way better than stock. However, this winter I'm gonna buy a 241 and see how it works. After that I'll then have the answer for you! Either one will most likely work for you.